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#725January 31, 202545:08

I was offered $200M at 24 and I turned it down

About This Episode

Matt Mullenweg, the founder of WordPress, discusses his decision to turn down a $200 million acquisition offer at age 24 and his commitment to the open-source philosophy. He shares unique management tactics used at Automattic, including audition-based hiring and mandatory customer support rotations for all employees, while addressing recent industry drama regarding trademark protection.

Episode Description

Get our Business Monetization Playbook: Episode 672: Sam Parr ( https://x.com/theSamParr ) and Shaan Puri ( https://x.com/ShaanVP ) talk to Matt Mullenweg ( https://x.com/photomatt ), the founder of WordPress and Automattic.

Show Notes

  • 0:00Turning down $200M at 24
  • 6:04WordPress's 1000 days of irrelevance
  • 9:24Turning a small South African company into $3B
  • 13:40The battle of giants - WooCommerce vs Shopify
  • 18:37Matt's Villain Arc
  • 30:07Auditions > Interviews
  • 36:04Putting every employee on the front line
  • 42:56Matt on Deepseek

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Key Takeaways

1

Replace traditional interviews with paid 'auditions' or trial projects to evaluate a candidate's actual work performance before making a permanent hire.

2

Require every employee, including executives, to perform regular customer support rotations to ensure the entire company remains grounded in user needs and product friction.

3

Prioritize written communication skills during the hiring process, as clear writing is often the best indicator of clear thinking and effective collaboration in distributed environments.

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Duration45:08
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